A sheriff and gun expert are expressing doubt about Alec Baldwin's claim that he did not pull the trigger on the set of the film Rust.
'The trigger wasn't pulled, I didn't pull the trigger,' the actor told George Stephanopoulos in an interview set to air Thursday night, often having to pause to collect himself as he discussed the death of Halyna Hutchins.
'I would never point a gun at anyone at point a trigger at them, never.'
Bryan W. Carpenter, a weapons armorer who works for Dark Thirty Film Services, said that this is highly unlikely.
'In order to make it fire, you have to put your thumb up onto the hammer, cock the hammer all the way back, and then as the hammer is completely cocked back, then you pull the trigger and then the gun fires,' Carpenter told Fox News. 'So that's very important because that gun had to have two step process to fire. It had to be cocked and the trigger pulled to fire.'
Carpenter continued: 'Once you cock the hammer back on one of those old west guns, it doesn't take a lot to set that trigger off.'
Meanwhile, Seth Kenney - the owner of the prop arsenal that provided the film with guns and ammo - said that they only provided 50 dummy rounds and other blanks to the movie.
Actor Alec Baldwin is denying that he pulled the trigger on the gun that delivered the fatal shot to Rust director of photography Halyna Hutchins
Weapons expert Bryan W. Carpenter of Dark Thirty Film has doubts about Baldwin's claims
Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza said 'guns don't just go off. So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, [Baldwin] did that and it was in his hands'
Hutchins died October 21 from after Baldwin claimed he picked up the gun and it went off
He told GMA the bullet that killed Hutchins doesn't match the rounds that his company, PDQ, sent to the film.
He said: 'They found four rounds that were close enough to take in with them. They're not a match, but they were close. There's something very unique about the live rounds that were found on Rust, but we've got to wait for the FBI to do its job.'
Detectives are investigating whether Kenney, a 51-year-old Hollywood veteran who was supposed to provide the film with dummy rounds and blanks, may have sent recycled bullets from a previous set, according to an affidavit filed by the Sante Fe County Sheriff's Office.
Investigators there continue to probe Hutchins' death, and have yet to file any criminal charges.
Lisa Tarraco, attorney for Assistant Director Dave Halls - who along with Baldwin and set armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed are the focus of Mendoza's investigation - says she was told by her client that Baldwin did not pull the trigger.
'Dave has told me since the very first day I met him that Alec did not pull that trigger,' Torraco told GMA. 'His finger was never in the trigger guard.'
She added that she would be 'shocked' if her client were charged in connection with the incident and that this ordeal has been 'very, very painful and very hard for him.'
Lisa Tarraco, attorney for Assistant Director Dave Halls says she was told by her client that Baldwin did not pull the trigger
'Dave (pictured) has told me since the very first day I met him that Alec did not pull that trigger,' Torraco told GMA. 'His finger was never in the trigger guard'
Baldwin wept as he described accidentally shooting dead his cinematographer on the set of his film Rust during an interview with Stephanopoulos.
He revealed the horror he felt when he picked up the gun and it went off, killing Halyna Hutchins.
'I think back, I think: 'What could I have done?' Baldwin said in a teaser of the interview that's set to air tomorrow.
He insists that he never pulled the trigger but said it appeared to inexplicitly fire on its own.
'Someone put a live bullet in the gun - a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property,' Baldwin said.
Alec Baldwin wept as he described accidentally shooting dead his cinematographer on the set of his film Rust during an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos.
In a teaser of the interview that's set to air Thursday at 8 p.m., the actor denied firing the bullet, saying the gun inexplicably went off after he picked it up
It was revealed earlier today that the bullet that killed Hutchins, may have been a homemade bullet that a New Mexico armorer supplied from a previous film where makeshift ammunition was used to train actors at a firing range.
Baldwin has made his account on Twitter private, just before the ABC interview airs.
During the interview, Baldwin spoke fondly of Hutchins, saying: 'She was someone who was loved by everyone who worked with and liked by everyone who worked with - and admired.
'Even now I find it hard to believe, it just doesn't seem real to me.'
When asked if the shooting was the worst thing that ever happened to him, Baldwin replied: 'Yes. Yes, yes.'
His wife, Hilaria, previously shared on Instagram the toll the tragedy has taken on the couple's family. The mother-of-six revealed she's had some 'heart-wrenching' conversations with her children after the accidental shooting.
Stephanopoulos said Baldwin spoke to him in detail about everything that happened on the day of the shooting.
'As you can imagine he was devastated, but he was also very candid, was very forthcoming,' Stephanopoulos said of his hour-and-a-half long interview with the actor.
'He answered every question. He talked about Halyna Hutchins, talked about meeting her family as well.
'[He] went through in detail what happened on the set that day.'
The interview comes as investigators continue to probe the shooting and now believe a homemade bullet supplied by a New Mexico armorer may have made its way on set and into Baldwin's pistol.
Weapons expert Steve Wolf told TMZ that the type of gun Baldwin was holding had a sensitive trigger that could be activated at slight pressure.
'Even tensing your hand on one of these single-action guns is enough to discharge it,' he told the outlet. 'What he's saying is he's not intentionally deciding to shoot the gun, and this does happen.
'These guns can be fired very, very, easily and they are sometimes fired inadvertently, but they don't discharge on their own.'
New Mexico investigators have been granted permission to search armorer Kenney's business PDQ Arm & Prop, LLC, an ammunition store in an Albuquerque strip mall, to determine if the bullet that killed Hutchins matches any Kenney has in stock, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Baldwin speaks on the phone in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on October 21 after he was questioned about the shooting
Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins (center) died after being shot by Baldwin during a rehearsal on October 21 in New Mexico
Hilaria Baldwin reveals she had 'heart-wrenching' conversations with her children about husband Alec's Rust shooting
Tough time: The Baldwin family has kept a relatively low profile over the past month after Alec accidentally shot and killed Hutchins on set of the Western film on Oct. 21; seen in 2020
The warrant states that Kenney contacted authorities late last month and told them that the live rounds on the set may have come from 'handmade reloaded rounds' that he got years ago from a friend, who also happened to be the father of Rust's rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, KOAT 7 reported.
Kenney said the ammunition 'stuck out to him, due to the suspected live round to have a cartridge with the Starline Brass logo on it,' according to the affidavit.
Gutierrez Reed told sheriff's investigators that ammunition for 'Rust' came from various sources, including Kenney, while other crew members also identified a man known only as 'Billy Ray.' No further information on Billy Ray's identity has been shared.
Gutierrez Reed's father, Thell Reed, an esteemed Hollywood weapons expert, told a detective on November 15 that he had worked with Kenney on an unnamed film late this summer and that they provided training for the actors at a firing range, as noted in the affidavit.
Reed said that Kenney told him to bring live .45-caliber Colt ammunition in case they ran out of dummy rounds and needed to use it, the affidavit said. Reed brought an 'ammo can' with 200 to 300 rounds, some of which were not factory-made, he added.
Kenney returned to New Mexico with the ammo can and, despite Reed's attempts to get the can of ammunition back, Kenney told him to 'write it off,' Reed told the detective. No further information has been given on why Kenney may have made that remark.
'Thell stated this ammunition may match the ammunition found on the set of 'Rust,' according to the affidavit.
Gutierrez Reed told investigators that the guns were checked on set, but she didn't check the one Baldwin used on October 21 'too much' because it had been locked in a safe during lunch. She also told investigators that she had trouble loading the gun just hours before the deadly shooting.
'Hannah stated there was one round that wouldn't go in, so after lunch she took the cleaner, cleaned 'it' out, and put another round in, which brought the total to six rounds loaded into the weapon,' Sheriff's Detective Alexandria Hancock wrote in the affidavit.
Gutierrez Reed's lawyer previously stated that she was not under the impression any of the rounds on the set were live because live ammunition is not allowed on film sets.
The gun prepared by the film's armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed (right), discharged in Baldwin's hands as it was aimed at Hutchins (left)
She was shot just moments after the crew entered a church set to rehearse a scene (above)
In the weeks following the shooting, several former crew members have spoken out about what they called an unsafe environment on the set.
Two weeks ago, the script supervisor Mamie Mitchell tearfully announced that she was suing Baldwin and accused him of playing 'Russian Roulette' when he fired a gun without checking it first to make sure it was not loaded, and further claimed that the scene being filmed did not call for the firing of the gun.
The suit names 22 defendants associated with the film, including Baldwin, Rust producers, six production companies - El Dorado Pictures, Thomasville Pictures, Short Porch Pictures, Brittany House Pictures, 3rd Shift Media and Streamline Global - armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, First Assistant Director David Halls and others.
Mitchell, a 40-year industry veteran, was standing close to Hutchins when the bullet fired from Baldwin's gun killed her and then injured director Joel Souza.
Mamie Mitchell (left) and attorney Gloria Allred laid out their lawsuit regarding the shooting - which alleges assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and deliberate infliction of harm
The suit claims assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and deliberate infliction of harm. It also states that the scene being shot did not require a gun to be fired.
'I ran out and called 911 and said, 'Bring everybody, send everybody,''' Mitchell said during a press conference. 'This woman is gone at the beginning of her career. She was an extraordinary, rare, very rare woman.'
Serge Svetnoy, the head electrician who held Hutchins in his arms as she died has also sued Baldwin, Gutierrez-Reed and assistant director David Halls over 'severe emotional distress' after the fatal shooting and revealed that the scene did not call for Baldwin to fire the gun.
Head electrician on the Rust movie set Serge Svetnoy (left), who held dying Hutchins (right) in his arms has sued Baldwin, rookie armorer Gutierrez-Reed and assistant director Halls over 'severe emotional distress' after the fatal shooting
Luper Lane has criticized the film's production as one that created the perfect storm for the tragic shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
Svetnoy filed the suit against the three crew members - as well as others, who remain unnamed - and claimed that their alleged negligence led to the shooting and put him in emotional turmoil.
Svetnoy alleged in the court documents that the bullet struck director Joel Souza, 48, and killed Hutchins nearly hit him, too, according to TMZ.
He also said that he was one of the first people to tend to Halyna while she was bleeding out and attempted to keep her conscious.
He told TMZ that he's suing Baldwin because he 'owed a duty to the Plaintiff and other crew members and actors on the 'Rust' set to handle the Colt Revolver provided to him by Defendant Halls with reasonable care and diligence for the safety of 'Rust' cast and crew.'
Lane Luper, who served as the film's A-camera first assistant, said he quit one day before the fatal shooting because employees were being overworked, COVID-safety was not being enforced properly and gun safety was poor.
'I think with Rust, it was the perfect storm of the armorer, the assistant director, the culture that was on set, the rushing. It was everything,' he told Good Morning America about the events that led up to the fatal shooting.
'It wasn't just one individual. Everything had to fall into place for this one-in-a-trillion thing to happen.'
In his letter of resignation, Luper said there had been two accidental weapon discharges on set and one accidental sound-effects explosion that went off around the crew.
'There have been NO explanations as to what to expect for these shots. When anyone from production is asked we are usually met with the same answers about not having enough time to complete the day if we rehearse or that 'this is a 21 day shoot,'' Luper wrote in the letter.
He added that the crew grew exhausted of long commutes from the set to their lodging, which for some more than two hours away.
'In my 10 years as a camera assistant I've never worked on a show that cares so little for the safety of its crew,' Luper said.
In a statement to Sky News, a spokesperson for the producers hit back at his claims, saying: 'Mr. Luper's allegations around budget and safety are patently false, which is not surprising considering his job was to be a camera operator, and he had absolutely nothing to do with it or knowledge of safety protocols or budgets.
'As we continue to cooperate with all investigations, we are limited in what we can say,' the spokesperson continued. 'However, safety is always the number one priority.
Some social media users were skeptical of Baldwin's claim that he didn't pull the trigger.
'The only way any firearm is going to fire is if the trigger mechanism is pulled or jolted hard on older weapons. I.E. dropped, banged hard,' tweeted one user. 'Do you truly believe people are so stupid to believe your nonsense?'
'Good grief his 'acting' is horrendous,' tweeted another. 'Western style handguns either require the shooter cock the weapon first or don't. Either way, this weapon had the trigger pulled. It wasn't dropped.
'@AlecBaldwin had it in his hands and killed Halyna and wounded another. Man up, already.'
'There's no manual': Hilaria Baldwin reveals she had 'heart-wrenching' conversations with her children about husband Alec's Rust shooting
Hilaria Baldwin has revealed she's had some 'heart-wrenching' conversations with her children after her husband Alec accidentally shot and killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
The mother-of-six, 37, penned a candid post detailing how she's struggled to discuss the 'tremendous sadness and heartbreak' of recent events with her family.
Hilaria credited The Child Mind Institute and a book titled It's Okay Not To Be Okay with helping her explain to her family Alec's involvement in the tragedy.
Tough: The mother-of-six penned a candid post detailing how she's struggled to discuss the 'tremendous sadness and heartbreak' of recent events with her family
In a post shared to Instagram Stories, Hilaria wrote: 'I've had to have some conversations, explaining recent events to my oldest children recently.
'You can imagine how heart-wrenching it has been. I'm grateful to The Child Mind Institute, for guiding me. I'm grateful to my friend, Anne, for encouraging me to reach out to them.
'Sometimes, I just freeze, knowing I'm the adult, who must guide my family, but so lost as what the right direction is.
'There is no manual we are provided. Sometimes I catch myself, surprised that I'm in the adult position and I'm like: shouldn't I know what to do???
Important: Hilaria then shared a snap of the book she'd used to help explain to her children about Alec's recent tragedy
'All of these have helped me explain the tremendous sadness and heartbreak to my children,' she said.
'You have no idea how much all of your kindness, love and support mean. Yes, you who are reading this. I know how lucky I am to have you.'
Hilaria then shared a snap of the book she'd used to help explain to her children about Alec's recent tragedy.
She and Alec are parents to Carmen, age eight, Rafael, six, Leonardo, four, Romeo, three, Eduardo 'Edu', 14 months, and María, eight months